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Post by shumiferades on Sept 30, 2010 18:49:53 GMT
formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-fia-stopped-red-bulls-illegal-car-lewis-hamilton/I don’t know what it is McLaren thinks they have achieved. At Singapore their car was 1 – 3s slower than Red Bull’s at various stages of the GP. The McLaren’s are not just behind Red Bull they are behind Red Bull and Ferrari. Further they rarely manage to get both of their cars to the end of the GP. F1 has done nothing to deserve this. I don’t see many other sports where there is always all this unnecessary unpleasantness, even football isn’t as bad. I feel really bad for Red Bull they are a great team who have got to where they are through hard work. They are having a great season and really deserve the plaudits. Sadly McLaren seem to think they have the right to sling mud at anybody who beats them. F1 really need a new code of conduct to stop all this negative destructive behaviour. Any teams not prepared to protest a competitors cars but instead making scurrilous comments about another team in the media should be subject to fines and lose of champion points.
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Post by tom on Sept 30, 2010 22:13:54 GMT
I'm not quite sure what Hamilton (and remember the quotes are from Hamilton, not McLaren) is trying to say... Red Bull's car has been always been legal otherwise it would not have passed scrutineering - sure, the car they had earlier in the season might be illegal now given the new load tests, but they have never failed scrutineering...
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Post by shumiferades on Oct 1, 2010 6:38:32 GMT
Mclaren drivers are never allowed off script you can rest assured these comments are suggested to lewis before he makes them.
Further lewis is a mclaren employee and so represents them. If mclaren disagree it is up to them to make a statement.
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Post by tom on Oct 1, 2010 11:45:18 GMT
Where's the proof that the comments were suggested to him then? And anyway, look at where the comments appeared - not exactly the most reliable of sources, I would suggest...
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Post by shumiferades on Oct 2, 2010 9:29:46 GMT
You don't need proof it is just how mclaren operate. There drivers are trained to evade any questions untill the team have told them what to say. Especialy since lewus got caught out telling the wrong lies at melbourn.
There is no way hamilton made those comments without a press breifing. Mclaren aren't going to offer proof of the fact but none is required.
And like i say if they disagree then in the interests of sporting intergraty then they will say.
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Post by jaguarfan on Oct 3, 2010 9:17:36 GMT
You don't need proof it is just how mclaren operate. There drivers are trained to evade any questions untill the team have told them what to say. Im sorry, but most companies have a policy on this. from your local hardware chain to the military. this is nothing new. Im getting bit wound up by all these conspiricies with no actual backing up of the idea. Anybody could make an allegation with no proof. it might seem obvious to you what they are doing, but with no actual proof your theories dont stand. make the effort to find the proof please.
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Post by shumiferades on Oct 3, 2010 17:04:27 GMT
Hi guys I've got the proof now. I phone up Martin Whitewash and he has confirmed everything. A full statement will come out through the reuters news agency shorty.
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Post by Kev Revmoon on Oct 10, 2010 17:50:32 GMT
If McLaren script everything that Hamilton says, wouldn't they tell him not to be such a wanker the whole time? Most people I know can't bear the little gimp and McLaren would know that.
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Post by shumiferades on Oct 10, 2010 18:31:44 GMT
Have you ever heard or seen Ron Dennis who used to be in F1 and heavily involved with McLaren.
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Post by Kev Revmoon on Oct 10, 2010 19:28:03 GMT
Of course...
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Post by shumiferades on Oct 10, 2010 20:31:00 GMT
Yip says it all.
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Post by Kev Revmoon on Oct 11, 2010 13:19:56 GMT
How does it?
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Post by shumiferades on Oct 24, 2010 15:07:43 GMT
Very unsporting from McLaren as usual today doing a full blown Tim Hennman everytime a Red Bull crashed out.
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Post by tom on Oct 27, 2010 22:43:09 GMT
Are you telling us that Red Bull don't celebrate like that when one of their competitors crashes out? Because I can be fairly sure that they would...
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Post by Kev Revmoon on Oct 28, 2010 12:40:48 GMT
We also saw a Ferrari guy applauding at it.
So what if they did? When Hamilton went off in Monza and Singapore I was whooping it up.
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Post by jaguarfan on Oct 28, 2010 16:18:48 GMT
its cos schumiferades doesnt like applauding the drivers failures. he's too busy thinking up a conspiracy theory instead lol.
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Post by shumiferades on Oct 29, 2010 17:57:59 GMT
We also saw a Ferrari guy applauding at it. He was cheering about Alonso taking the lead of the GP not a competitor going out of the race.
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Post by Kev Revmoon on Oct 29, 2010 22:20:37 GMT
You really can convince yourself of anything, can't you?
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Post by shumiferades on Oct 31, 2010 22:42:43 GMT
Well it's kind of obvious. Oh yes Alonso is winning the GP now lets cheer.
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Post by miss_schumi_jr on Nov 1, 2010 13:41:12 GMT
Shumiferades are you really suggesting that Mclaren are the only team to cheer if a rival goes out!! All the teams do it all the time!!!! I can only imagine the cheer that would go up if say a Lotus was in eleventh and someone from the top ten retired!! Its not really unsporting, it is the nature of competition.
Also Ferrari cheering when Webber went out would not have been because Alonso was then in the lead, cos Vettel was still there, what it would have been was because the guy ahead of Alonso in the title was out. And the cheer when Vettel went would have been as much for another title rival dropping out as it would have been for Alonso inheriting the lead. Therefore it is no different to the Mclaren guys doing it. Lewis benefitted from the retirements just as much as Alonso did.
I applaud Mclaren of late - thier equalness to thier drivers is really nice to see, even now they are saying they will support Button still (and it may be a bit of an empty gesture as unless all his rivals drop out in Interlagos Button will be helping Lewis by the end of the race anyways), which they darn well should be. If any driver can mathematically still win the title they should be given the full support of thier team. Maybe they will lose the title as a result, but if we are going to talk about a team being unsporting, Mclaren is definitely not one i would place in that category...
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