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Post by shumiferades on Oct 24, 2010 15:14:21 GMT
Well they finally managed to make the GP happen and I’m glad to say the right man won.
Quite interesting GP in the end.
I’d like to point of that uber driving god Lewis Hamilton continued his string of terrible performances as he handed victory to Alonso with a driving error just as much as Webber did. This public service announcement was definite not brought to you by the BBC.
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Post by jaguarfan on Oct 24, 2010 17:56:35 GMT
i think bernie ecclestone made it rain by using silver iodide and then used his special engine blow up controller on vettel.
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Post by Kev Revmoon on Oct 24, 2010 18:22:05 GMT
Was entertaining (in the end). A few points I'd like to open up for discussion;
1) The conditions were nothing like as bad as lots of races that have been started under normal conditions (i.e. without a safety car) before. The drivers were not talking about aquaplaning or a greasy, newly laid surface, but poor visibility.
The BBC suggested that the Red Bulls and Alonso were saying that conditions were too bad to race because they would be happy with half points for their qualifying positions; whereas Hamilton would obviously say that conditions were fine because he had nothing to lose and might as well roll the dice.
Does this mean:
A) That too much attention is being paid to the opinions of the drivers? B) That the circumstances at the beginning of today's race only happened because we are near the end of the championship and they didn't want the championship to be decided by a pathetic slide off the road?
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C) That new precedents of safety are being set and from now on wet races will be delayed and/or started under safety cars and run that way as long as imminent rain is forecast?
If it is the case that C) is true, I will be incredibly disappointed. I sincerely hope that B) is the case, and I can just about live with that. I do not get out of bed at 6am on a Sunday to watch safety cars. I guess any wet race will always be unpredictable and s**t will go down, but I do not like the idea of allowing such precedents. If they are allowed to always bring out the safety car now, in another 5 years an entirely wet race will be run entirely under a safety car and in 10 years, they will just not run at all and all of the spectators will get a raincheck (raincheque?) to come back on a Monday.
If we get to the point that F1 drivers are allowed to delay a race with a general consensus that it is too wet and dangerous, I think F1 will lose a lot of its appeal. Alonso, to set an example, is paid €30million a year. That equates to, what, €1million a week in the racing season? He should have to earn that. It is never that dangerous in an F1 car. The only thing in danger is the driver's reputations.
2) Lewis Hamilton's slide off the road was a little lame, but probably not as bad as Webber's, for the simple fact that Webber could not regain control and took out an innocent competitor and himself, and did not finish.
3) Hamilton's obvious desire to go racing was one of the best things about today. I wondered whether he was advised to leave the BBC F1 Forum as quickly as possible because if he was interviewed and spoke in his usual way, he could only possibly go down in people's estimation. Anyway, for me, he went up in my estimation today.
4) The Ferrari is now the car to have. I can't help but think that it will be very strong at Interlagos. Alonso has now won more races than anyone else (Germany notwithstanding) and, if he wins another will deserve to be WDC.
5) Jenson was rubbish.
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Post by Kev Revmoon on Oct 25, 2010 18:42:56 GMT
I have to say my reappraisal watching the race today leads to me to be very disappointed with Alonso. his, "These are the worst conditions I have ever raced in" was a lie. Nothing less.
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Post by tom on Oct 27, 2010 22:47:13 GMT
Another point that I saw raised was that Vettel was complaining about the light being bad because he wanted the race stopped early as he knew his engine was about to go bang, we heard Hamilton saying the light was fine moments after so what do people think about that point of view?
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Post by Kev Revmoon on Oct 28, 2010 12:39:34 GMT
Much as I hate to quote Ron Dennis, I think that F1 drivers *are* competitive animals that know no limitations.
If Seb could sense that his engine was going to let go, he could very well have said that in the hope that they would red flag the race. There's a delay in the broadcasting of the radio, obviously.
If he did it on purpose, he is a liar.
Jenson also said that it was too dark.
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Post by miss_schumi_jr on Nov 1, 2010 13:31:01 GMT
1) The conditions were nothing like as bad as lots of races that have been started under normal conditions (i.e. without a safety car) before. The drivers were not talking about aquaplaning or a greasy, newly laid surface, but poor visibility . Completely agree, I have seen far worse rain than that at race tracks, very very frustrating to watch, especially wtih Hamilton saying it was drivable!! I think the fault lays with the circuit however. If it had been finished when it was supposed to be instead of still laying the track a few days previously then the track wouldnt have been as greasy mixing with the resin or whatever it was from the freshly laid tarmac and the water wouldnt have pooled quite so much. Also if they had made sufficient drainage, which given that this weather is not uncommon, should have been a priority, the water would also have drained away better a la Spa etc and we would never have even had the debate about starting under the SC. For me, the delayed start and safety cars etc was just one more thing on the rather long list of things that were a result of going to a venue this is half finished. The BBC suggested that the Red Bulls and Alonso were saying that conditions were too bad to race because they would be happy with half points for their qualifying positions; whereas Hamilton would obviously say that conditions were fine because he had nothing to lose and might as well roll the dice. I think it was absolutely dictated by championship position as to whether the conditions were 'undrivable' or not. I think the drivers are the best way of knowing really how bad it was, but i think the Mclaren/Red Bull/Ferrari drivers should have been taken out of this equation as their opinions would be clouded as to what benefits thier title chance or not. An accurate indicator would have been to see what the other guys thought. If they thought it was too bad to race then fair enough. I still think though that even if it is a very small minority that thinks it is raceable, it probably is. To hear Lewis (even if it was dictated by his need to try and beat the Red Bulls) say it was drivable and then others say it isnt, doesnt half reflect badly on those who were against restarting. Surely Lewis wasnt the only one! He's not a complete madman, it must have been acceptable conditions! Plus its what they are paid for! And i agree, Lewis went up in my estimation too after calling for the race to be started - least someone has some guts! His slide was a little silly, and could ultimately have cost him the win, cos although Alonso was faster, he didnt have Felipe there to help him get past! Shame, but not as costly as Webbers little error! The Ferrari is now the car to have. I can't help but think that it will be very strong at Interlagos. Alonso has now won more races than anyone else (Germany notwithstanding) and, if he wins another will deserve to be WDC. Indeed it is, if only for reliability - i think the Red Bull is still better, but a little unpredictable. I too think Ferrari will be strong in Interlagos, but i think it will be the 'wrong' one who is. I think Red Bulls and/or Mclarens will seperate Massa from Alonso, (and i cant beleive i am saying this but ideally it will be Webber as retiring/causing a problem for Massa wont help Alonso if it raises Webber to the lead) and therefore make it almost impossible to implement team orders. Massa is on another planet when he races at Interlagos, the car is clearly capable of it, and Massa needs to get back in favour with the Brazilian fans after Germany. This race could be veeeeery interesting!! In an ideal world a Mclaren would take the title, especially with Lewis in with a shot still (and regardless of what the media says, Jenson will help Lewis in Interlagos, as he said he will if he is mathematially out of a shot - Jenson is mathematically out of the title if any of the other guys remain in the points so if he is in a position to help Lewis near the end, he will, i have no doubt on this). Failing that i will, if i absolutely have to, cheer on a Red Bull, Webber included, if it means that piss taking Ferrari/Alonso dont win the title. If Alonso does win the title by less than seven points it will forever be regarded as a joke and gifted championship by many a fan, which is a shame really as his comeback has been rather impressive, but hey ho, his fault for demanding assistance when he was perfectly capable of doing it on his own anyways. If he wins it by more than seven points, then the swap in Germany will have been for nothing and Ferrari will be slammed for losing Massa the chance to win. Either way, i can sit here and criticise Ferrari, its the least they deserve!
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